tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post3477927815341623061..comments2024-03-28T19:18:40.387-04:00Comments on Northern Reflections: One Of Harper's Prime DirectivesOwen Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-49051026171219558342015-03-24T15:31:56.704-04:002015-03-24T15:31:56.704-04:00Cross purposes. Gonna be the death of us. Cross purposes. Gonna be the death of us. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-47298628973017242712015-03-24T14:03:50.284-04:002015-03-24T14:03:50.284-04:00Mogs makes that suggestion, too, Anon. That would ...Mogs makes that suggestion, too, Anon. That would be a disaster.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-28127038338153067792015-03-24T14:02:15.746-04:002015-03-24T14:02:15.746-04:00I don't think the Liberals would back the Harp...I don't think the Liberals would back the Harperites, Mogs. The only coalition that makes sense is a Lib-NDP coalition. <br /><br />But I'm beginning to think that they'll never get together.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-4876597902481883272015-03-24T13:51:28.704-04:002015-03-24T13:51:28.704-04:00Dana I beg to differ the centre is still the centr...Dana I beg to differ the centre is still the centre but Steve has dragged all of our political parties to the right. Steve is as far right as anything Canada has ever seen before. My belief is Elizabeth May is the only voice of reason...<br /><br />Thomas Mulcair recently stated he would undo most of Harper's ill doing Trudeau remains silent and willing to support the Harper-cons. I think you are right Owen he is banking on a Liberal Minority government backed by the Harper-cons. How foul is that? The political baseball just gets batted to the right again?<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Mogs MoglioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-86426077015982327812015-03-24T12:45:18.013-04:002015-03-24T12:45:18.013-04:00Irony x 1000 - upcoming election is split three wa...Irony x 1000 - upcoming election is split three ways, Cons and Libs form coalition government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-60334526183537466202015-03-24T12:20:38.366-04:002015-03-24T12:20:38.366-04:00I agree, Dana, that we're in uncharted territo...I agree, Dana, that we're in uncharted territory. All I know for sure is what you've mentioned.<br /><br />We're working at cross purposes. I've suggested before that it's going to take a coalition to get rid of Harper. And, right now, nobody's building any bridges.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-54661557491851340212015-03-24T12:10:59.379-04:002015-03-24T12:10:59.379-04:00Harper told us he was going to shift the political...Harper told us he was going to shift the political centre to the right. Remember? <br /><br />Well he did. I don't like it, you don't like it, your dog and mine don't like it. <br /><br />So what? It's happened and pretending that it hasn't happened is folly.<br /><br />So how do you propose to go forward?<br /><br />Seems to me there are a lot of people on the blogs I read who acknowledge that, yes, the centre has moved to the right but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge that it has. It doesn't mean we have to change our thinking or strategies or tactics. We can just respond as we always have. We can keep doing what we've always done moving forward. <br /><br />Take note of the oxymoron in that last sentence. <br /><br />Canada has never before in it's history experienced a political context like this. Never before. <br /><br />Never before have we been governed by a party that is as contemptuous of our traditions, our system of governance, our courts and even, and perhaps most especially, of us as citizens. I have come to believe that it would not displease Harper to see Canada break up. <br /><br />So we've never been here before. Uncharted territory. <br /><br />No one ever knows how to respond to conditions that have never happened before. Every one is making it up as they go along. There is no other way because there is no map. The map must be drawn at the same time as the territory is discovered. <br /><br />No one has *the* solution. In all likelihood, as with most things in life, there is no single solution. <br /><br />The one thing I know for sure is that it will take a concerted effort, many people working together and not at cross purposes, to send Harper to the dustbin. It will take many people working together, not at cross purposes, to begin to find a way to rebuild what has been destroyed. <br /><br />Right now the cross purposes are dominating the efforts. <br /><br />We can't keep doing what we've always done moving forward. <br /><br />Moving forward in uncharted territory where we've never been before requires doing things we've never done before.Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-39790721746173845062015-03-24T11:26:18.148-04:002015-03-24T11:26:18.148-04:00It would, indeed, be ironic if Chong voted against...It would, indeed, be ironic if Chong voted against C-51 and Trudeau voted for it, Anon.<br /><br />As I wrote yesterday, Trudeau's moment of truth is at hand.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-72664690436494448602015-03-24T11:11:59.866-04:002015-03-24T11:11:59.866-04:00Brent Rathgeber, an ex Cons MP, had said he would ...Brent Rathgeber, an ex Cons MP, had said he would be voting against C-51. Now Michael Chong, another Cons MP, has spoken out publicly against it. <br /><br />Of course, it remains to be seen whether Chong will actually vote against it in Parliament, or pretend to be sick and not show up to vote. <br /><br />It would actually not surprise me if Chong does actually vote FOR C-51 with his party, despite his apparent objections, as he had done with the "Unfair" Elections Act, including the motions to limit debate. Chong had also voted with his party to limit the debate on C-51.<br /><br />But would it not be an irony if Chong does vote against it and the Liberals vote for it? <br /><br />If this is what it takes for the Libs to get elected, how are voters to feel confident that Trudeau, if elected, will not be acting like Harper Lite? Especially since Trudeau is likely only to win a minority, if at all. Clearly, in a minority situation, he has to keep the Cons votes happy so they do not abandon his party.<br /><br />In the past, successful Liberal governments had tended to campaign left and govern from the right. Apparently, Trudeau is already signaling that he may even have to campaign from the right to win just a minority, which should worry ABC voters who just want to get rid of Harper. <br /><br />ABC voters may wake up the morning after and realize that they have replaced Harper with Harper Lite, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com