tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post4086851071760792752..comments2024-03-18T20:18:14.088-04:00Comments on Northern Reflections: Coalition Time?Owen Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-14080607592058884062014-12-16T17:07:32.395-05:002014-12-16T17:07:32.395-05:00If all three leaders put self interest above natio...If all three leaders put self interest above national interest, lungta, we're doomed.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-23505292530098266292014-12-16T17:05:00.517-05:002014-12-16T17:05:00.517-05:00I suspect a number of people will join your coalit...I suspect a number of people will join your coalition, Dana.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-79912941675866687652014-12-16T17:03:29.317-05:002014-12-16T17:03:29.317-05:00"Self interest vs. the National Interest"..."Self interest vs. the National Interest"<br />"unless Mulcair and Trudeau can learn to talk to each other"<br />these two failings almost should disqualify them from national service<br />if they both can HUG harper in parliament<br />you would think they could stand each other<br />when their behavior leads to another round of apocalyptic harperism gutting the fabric of canada<br />i'm pretty sure the word quisling applies <br />i love voting for a meatsack every 4 years<br />and this time a choice between 3 losers<br /> <br /> lungtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06526204597913219959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-67139115086090777602014-12-16T16:46:46.279-05:002014-12-16T16:46:46.279-05:00Post election next year, should Harper achieve ano...Post election next year, should Harper achieve another up the middle majority, I will have no more time, patience nor mercy for anyone who enabled that.Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-36441922404694203952014-12-16T13:17:46.159-05:002014-12-16T13:17:46.159-05:00I understand your skepticism, Scotian. As I've...I understand your skepticism, Scotian. As I've written in another space, the new NDP is more interested in power than policy.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-54832077854630002862014-12-16T13:12:10.603-05:002014-12-16T13:12:10.603-05:00Owen:
Going by both past performance and electora...Owen:<br /><br />Going by both past performance and electoral pressures on Mulcair in particular, don't bet on it. I certainly wouldn't.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-65697115500401741242014-12-16T12:47:35.967-05:002014-12-16T12:47:35.967-05:00I couldn't agree more, Toby.I couldn't agree more, Toby.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-91203788447182670172014-12-16T12:46:20.333-05:002014-12-16T12:46:20.333-05:00Like you, Scotian, I believe there will be no form...Like you, Scotian, I believe there will be no formal coalition -- like the Peterson-Rae coalition in Ontario.<br /><br />But let's hope that both leaders attack Harper -- rather than each other.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-22140736449735374422014-12-16T12:24:15.259-05:002014-12-16T12:24:15.259-05:00As I've said before, would be nice, not going ...As I've said before, would be nice, not going to happen though, the blood is too bad, especially after the way the NDP leadership played the harassment issue against Trudeau. That while I believe the Libs might have been willing to work with the NDP before this incident the reverse was never going to be true because of both long history of actually believing there is no difference between CPC and Lib (despite the obvious reality) and the more recent replace the Libs at all costs program initiated under Layton and followed by Mulcair, especially now when the Mulcair NDP see themselves falling back into third place electorally ever since Justin Trudeau first started running for the Lib leadership, let alone once he got it.<br /><br />The well has been repeatedly poisoned, mostly by the NDP because of their lust for power combined with their feelings that the Libs steal their best ideas to campaign on and then govern to the right (which to be fair has some merit, if not as much as Dipper partisans want to believe), and these days from the Libs for most recently the way NDP played the harassment issue (especially by claiming Trudeau revealed their MPs to exposure despite it being NDP sources who claimed the MPs in question were female and theirs while saying it was the Libs doing so under the media refused to let them continue talking from both sides of their mouths) and more generally the last decade of placing the destruction of the Libs as a viable party ahead of stopping Harper, indeed forming a de facto if not de jure alliance with Harper for that purpose since they brought Martin down.<br /><br />So in the end what Canadians want about coalition versus what they will have to decide once election day comes is what it is. I suspect that in the end it will come down to just how badly they want Harper gone, and if that prevails it is almost a certainty the Libs get the nod because of the electoral makeup of the actual people who tend to vote. The Libs lost a lot of their vote over the last three elections because of fatigue, bad leadership, and in the case of Dion, active aid by major media aka Mike Duffy (people forget that Dion was the one looking at the minority until that footage was released by Duffy) whom Harper promptly rewarded with that Senate seat. That vote either stayed home or went elsewhere, mostly to the CPC because as I've repeatedly noted the Lib voter tends to be centrists, and they went where they thought it was more centrist to be than with NDP (those blue Libs the NDP denounced election night and onwards for stopping the Orange wave). That vote has seen what Harper does and does not appear comfortable, so it is very likely they will return to their natural home.<br /><br />The real question is how much of the former PCPC vote will coalesce around Trudeaus Libs combined with how many normally Dipper voters are either pissed at their party and/or simply place stopping Harper as the only consideration and vote Lib holding their noses. Political people forget that it is only since the rise of Harper that we really started to get this idea of electing a PM and not a government, and the team Trudeau is building around him has far more appearance of competence than what has been seen from the Harper government(tm), and it is not unlikely that this difference may well be enough to help many voters look past Trudeaus youth.<br /><br />We will see, but there is no chance of a coalition before the vote, and even afterwards in the event of a minority Parliament I see it as unlikely. The best we might see is what happened in Martins last minority with the NDP, although if they play the same games with the Libs to try for electoral gains again, I suspect the result would be rather different.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-80835630546347263222014-12-16T12:22:57.977-05:002014-12-16T12:22:57.977-05:00The time to form a coalition is after the election...The time to form a coalition is after the election. <br /><br />At this point, though, the Liberals and Dippers need to stop and smell the stink. The real target, for both of them, is Harper; has to be Harper and his stinky record. They have to do whatever it takes to slay the dragon and stop sniping at each other. The Larry and Moe slapstick has to stop. Tobynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-52216853307828850902014-12-16T11:38:42.638-05:002014-12-16T11:38:42.638-05:00It's an old problem, Mogs: Self interest vs. t...It's an old problem, Mogs: Self interest vs. the National Interest. Only rarely do the two coincide.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-70172010970617374422014-12-16T11:24:53.626-05:002014-12-16T11:24:53.626-05:00So my question not to you Owen because it is unfat...So my question not to you Owen because it is unfathomable that Trudeau and MulCair can't see this? Dumb and dumber I suppose. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17868396408359306954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-71368923934228736812014-12-16T11:14:54.060-05:002014-12-16T11:14:54.060-05:00According to the Graves poll, Mogs, the majority o...According to the Graves poll, Mogs, the majority of voters agree with you.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-16717498811266523622014-12-16T11:03:17.506-05:002014-12-16T11:03:17.506-05:00I would like to see a coalition...
Anything is be...I would like to see a coalition...<br /><br />Anything is better than the Harper led con game.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17868396408359306954noreply@blogger.com