tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post8915569713442768564..comments2024-03-28T10:07:24.955-04:00Comments on Northern Reflections: Unwitting MasochistsOwen Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-18675435711254480612018-04-05T19:44:19.095-04:002018-04-05T19:44:19.095-04:00There has always -- in the South, at least -- been...There has always -- in the South, at least -- been the perception of poor whites that they are better than black folks, BJ. And when black folks get "uppity" that's a sign that what little they have will disappear. So they vote for what little they have -- not thinking that other forces -- not black folks -- are taking the little they have away.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-49734164230631757032018-04-05T19:17:35.884-04:002018-04-05T19:17:35.884-04:00The issue with complaining that these kinds of peo...The issue with complaining that these kinds of people are “voting against their own self- interest”, is that it misconstrues just what interests they are voting on. Sure, their overall quality of life would probably be better if they voted for the more liberal candidates, but they would also have to deal with those currently on the downslope of the food chain being brought up to their level. Even in areas where things are bad, and maybe particularly in such places, being “white” provides one with better social outcomes and status than their neighbours of colour. They might decry “identity politics” and “white privilege”, but the first is projection. They vote for the white, Christian identity over everyone else, and they do so because they are terrified they might lose the latter privilege that they are used to and genuinely believe they deserve. <br /><br />They might be in favour of better social programs and the like in theory, but only for people like them. Tell them such programs benefit black or immigrant or Muslim or First Nations or whatever “other” group you want to use, and they’ll stop supporting it and vote for the people promising to keep “those people” in their place and the people who look and believe like they do on top. MoS’ ballot initiative to screw over public schools because they are mostly black (or at least perceived that way) is a good example.<br /><br />Short version, they are voting in their own self-interest, just not the kind of self-interest we’re used to discussing in polite company. Who knows, maybe Trump and his followers here in Canada will allow us to rip the blinders off of this polite fiction as well.BJ Bjornsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974279375101372134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-64957381200562297732018-04-04T12:13:12.066-04:002018-04-04T12:13:12.066-04:00For me, Mound, the last couple of years have remin...For me, Mound, the last couple of years have reminded me how some things haven't changed. When I was learning how to teach in the public schools of North Carolina, segrgation was alive and well. I taught in the oldest -- and whitest -- high school in Greensboro, North Carolina. We had 2200 students -- only 48 of them were black. On the other side of town, there was another high school with 1600 students. There wasn't a white face among them.<br /><br />They had started to bus students to different schools. They had also started to send teachers to different schools for professional devevlopment. I'll never forget the day one of the faculty from my school returned to the staff cafeteria to tell us that he had spent the morning at the all black school "learning how to be a nigger."<br /><br />Ignorance reigns supreme.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35117130.post-58573438490328018332018-04-04T11:48:11.948-04:002018-04-04T11:48:11.948-04:00It's an "everyday low taxes" world n...<br />It's an "everyday low taxes" world now, Owen. We have the contagion in Canada as well only the US has a far more advanced, even terminal case. I believe it was Louisiana which is near the bottom in public education that had a ballot initiative to lower taxes by paring educational spending. Of course it passed. <br /><br />Chuck Thompson, in his book "Better Off Without 'Em, discusses how, in the south, school segregation is perpetuated to this day. Whites and Blacks, it seems, attend their own mega-churches. These churches, or the more prosperous ones, also operate schools for their congregations. White kids go to white church operated schools. Black kids, from generally less affluent families, go to public schools that are effectively black. When the ballot initiative comes up it passes because the cuts will mainly hit black students anyway. And so the South shall rise again.<br /><br />"The Spirit Level" written by two British epidemiologists, Wilkinson and Pickett, also analyze the Red State/Blue State divide on the basis of inequality and all the social outcomes that determines: longevity, criminality, age of motherhood and the rate of unwed mothers, education levels, poverty, obesity, you name it. And, as expected, the fiercely conservative, supposedly most religious, Red States far markedly worse than the better educated, more secular and more equal Blue States that also provide the most revenues to the federal government that then passes the money along to the needy Red States.<br /><br />Yet, more often than not, Red State voters reliably vote against their own self-interests that seems about as logical as lemmings running off some cliff edge to their doom. <br /><br />It would be wonderful to believe that, one day, all of this reality would provide an epiphany to these Red State voters but, given how consistently they act against their own self-interest, there's no reason for much confidence they'll change.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.com