Yesterday's hearing in Washington provided a lot of new information. Dana Milbank catalogs it:
Trump adviser Steve Bannon, before the election, declared that Trump is “going to declare victory, and that doesn’t mean he’s the winner. … So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm.”
Trump friend and longtime adviser Roger Stone, before the election, said that regardless of the outcome, “the key thing to do is to claim victory. Possession is nine-tenths of the law. No, we won. F--- you. … We’ll have to start smashing pumpkins, if you know what I mean.”
Trump, knowing privately that he had lost, signed an order on Nov. 11 requiring the immediate withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and Somalia.
Trump, acknowledging defeat, told Meadows (according to video testimony from former Meadows aide Cassidy Hutchinson): “I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out.”
Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, in video testimony, testified about Trump introducing her to lawyer John Eastman, who tried to enlist the RNC’s help with his fake-elector scheme.
Nancy Pelosi, in newly released video, pleaded for help from the Pentagon, the Virginia governor and the attorney general. She reacted in horror to the violence and talked with Vice President Mike Pence about “defecation” and defilement of the House floor.
Donald Trump's attempted coup met the textbook definition of sedition. He was at the centre of it. There won't be any indictments until after the election, now three weeks away. But, after the election, he must be indicted -- for sedition and for his theft of government documents.
If there's any justice, he'll will spend the rest of his natural life in jail.
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I can't wait to hear Donald claim the "Fifth" like so many of his henchmen. I still don't get how that country can have any relevance to law and order when they have such an hypocritical ability to hide the truth. for your information Owen, democracy now devotes their entire hour to yesterday's hearing.
Trump is The Man Who Would Be King, zoombats. That story did not end well.
My prediction is, if they don't move on Trump after the mid-terms, they never will, Owen. They will likely issue some lame excuse about it being too divisive to the nation if he is arrested and charged. Not sure how they could be any more divided than they already are, though.
I think Drumpffft will be "pleading the 6th".
That new defense of "if I close my eyes I live in a deluded alternative universe and your laws are imaginary to me"
They've got to move on Trump after the elections, Lorne. If they don't they're doomed.
That's his defense, lungta. Anyone who buys it is a fool.
Influential men or women do not go to jail.
Just look to GW Bush an Tony Blair.
They deserved worse punishment than Trump.
TB
I can only hope that won't be the case with Trump, TB.
It is quite something coming round here and reading ol' Owen doing his machiavellian best to divert folks from anything that matters.
I know, i know: Orange Man Bad...Democracy At Risk...Blah, blah, blah.
But pay no mind, folks, as the election looms, and the party of chaos trips deeper into its own self-created catastrophes.
Never mind that the effort to make Ukraine the fifty-first state is not going over so well. Ignore the campaign to convince children to switch sexes. Worry not your little heads about the ceasless crusade to sell ever more mRNA “vaccines” that the CDC knows good-and-goshdarn-well is killing and maiming people by the millions. But do lean in to the program for importing limitless alien “vibrance” across the open border with Mexico. Who needs an affordable cost of living or reasonably priced energy. This is the kind of life you wanted, right?
It depends upon which party wins the mid terms and who has the majority. It also remains to be seen how the election itself goes. If people are denied the right to vote or if there is violence at the voting stations, things will not go well for the future of the U.S.A.
As to Trump, of course he will take the 5th.
As to how things will turn out for Trump and the country, who knows. It may depend upon the Supreme Court and/or the politicians. Politics is a funny game with its own rules. Sometimes the opposition gets a pass because next time it could be you or one of your party. As long as Trump is alive he will continue to create turmoil in his country. The worst thing that could happen to him, is if he is ignored.
I agree, e.a.f, that the consequences wrought by Mr.Trump will be long-lasting.
@ Trailblazer
nfluential men or women do not go to jail.
Only in the English-speaking world. Nicolas Sarkozy in France got convicted though apparently he served his sentence in house arrest rather than actual prison. Alberto Fujimori in Peru got something like a 25 year sentence. Lee Myung-bak in Korea was convicted. Actually I think at least one other South Korean ex-president did time.
I rather admired France when they tossed the executives of the French blood service in prison during the tainted blood scandal while we said to the heads of the Cdn Red Cross, "Tsk tsk". I have a cousin who is HIV positive because of those scum. A few years in Millhaven would have done them some good.
I think there may be a chance that Trump will at least go to trial and may, even, be convicted. He is an outsider , a rather despised outsider, so the US establishment will not want to defend him. Of course, given how corrupt that establishment is, they may not want to set a precedent.
Unfortunately for much of the US the law and order crowd is only concerned about punishing poor people and particularly people of colour as a quick google of incarceration rates reveals. With few exceptions, white colour crime is overlooked and those with money find every which way to avoid accountability and Trump displays a master class in that. Deflect, delay, grift and repeat and he will continue to do that until he drops dead. Now, who in their right mind would not want to be proven wrong about that, but more than likely, he gets the 2024 nomination if he's still alive and comes within an earshot of another Electoral College victory but with the pending Supreme Court case about independent state legislatures, the EC is especially vulnerable to, a 2020 result would be easily discarded and he wins, and then the revenge tour starts. A very sad state of affairs that this once great country is now at the brink of FUBAR. BC Waterboy.
I have never claimed that the Democrats will lead their countrymen to Nirvana, Fiona. But it seems pretty obvious that the Denier-in-Chief -- and his acolytes -- will lead them into a hell of their own making.
It won't be easy to get a jury that will convict Trump, jrk. We'll see what happens.
If Trump isn't convicted, waterboy, the country will be FUBAR.
Trump might be convicted, but being sent to jail might be difficult. American presidents have Secret Service Agents for life. Trump going to jail with his secret service detai might really give the late night talk show comedians some good material. They could place him under house arrest and take away his phone, computer, etc. Sort of like sending a kid to their room with none of their toys.
Putting a president in jail will cause logistical problems, e.a.f. But, if they can put a man on the moon, they can work things out.
As to putting a man on the moon, yes that was a great accomplishment. A lot of people have asked why they could put a man on the moon and not solve other issues/problems. The best one was some one I knew who had recently given birth: They can put a man on the moon so why can't they find a better exit for that baby.
On the other side of things, putting Trump in jail might be punishment for him, but what about all the other people in the jail, what did they do to deserve him there?
What a nightmare it would be for staff and other inmates.
Somehow I think they could deal with him, e.a.f.
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